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we're here because we don't buy into the

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[\h__\h] of mainstream culture we're

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tired of the mundane passionless careers

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we've been shuffled into as a result of

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this orchestrated debt based system of

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rule and the stranglehold on education

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entertainment by cold soulless

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corporations people yes we are

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frustrated yes we are tired and we

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reject the pre-approved tranquilizers

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that are Monday Night Football and a

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nice cold blood laser we have to stop

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hiding stop hiding behind the headphones

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in the cherry popper 4/20 user name let

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the world see that the resistance is

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strong in society as changing there was

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a time to be anonymous

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that time has passed and so the higher

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side chats would like to present

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conspiracies as the dawning of this new

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paradigm in

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revolution because bold fashion mean

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more than some celebrity meat dress or

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Atlanta sleeping poem conspiracies

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redefines bold fashion as having the

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balls to reject socially uncomfortable

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and unpopular truths from your radiant

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chest all bugging day its beauties

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dotnet let him know that [\h__\h] bolt

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designs for trouble times hard truths

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we're doing through the villagers the

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hello again higher side shatters

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drinking my drink smoking the smoke from

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San Diego you know me I'm Greg Karl

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would thank you all for being here with

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me for another episode of my stupid

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stoner show folks we spend a lot of time

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exploring the strange mysterious and

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oftentimes just plain criminal aspects

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of the wild world upon which we live but

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today we're going to take our minds a

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bit further than usual about two hundred

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and thirty nine thousand miles further

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to be exact with the rock in the sky we

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call the moon while our schoolbooks and

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culture have written it off as a dead

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lifeless chunk of boring our guest today

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Mike bear I wrote a book ancient aliens

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on the moon and anyone who takes a

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closer look at this thing will see an

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anomalous mysterious celestial body that

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seems critical to experiencing life as

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we know it and Mike bara has done the

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looking for us in that new book Mike

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welcome to THC hey thanks a lot well

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the moon in general because I believe

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our moon has several odd and unique

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characteristics that make it stand out

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right can you tell us about some of

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those features yeah I think you know

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there's in the context of the moon's

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placements location its size it's really

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very unusual I mean there really isn't

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any celestial body anywhere that's ever

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been observed in this solar system or

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even these extrasolar planets are now

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finding in other solar systems that can

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match up to it in terms of strangeness

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that actually one of the weirdest things

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is that the famous science fiction

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author as a gas mom wrote that you know

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he discovered that essentially the moon

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doesn't orbit the earth it actually

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relationship with the earth in other

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falling towards the Sun it's just sort

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of orbiting the Earth almost by habit

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so that makes it really unique there's

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hundred and sixty miles and that number

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processionary cycle the twenty five

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the secret history of NASA that I wrote

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little bit more about all this weird

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numerology but you take that exact

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diameter and that exact distance that

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solar eclipse which is where the disk of

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the moon under certain you know ideal

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conditions perfectly blots out the disk

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of the Sun and and that is just

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something that doesn't occur by

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coincidence I mean you start to look at

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designer solar system like somebody set

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this all up because you put together all

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these numeric coincidences and they just

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sort of random cycles there's something

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actually driving all this stuff and then

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question of whether the moon's a natural

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satellite or an artificial satellite

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UFO community for years and years right

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ancient aliens on the moon what I

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discovered is that there's there's

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years to account for the moon's

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that that somehow the spin energy of the

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deep deep pacific basin but I don't

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my second book the choice and I talked

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about a beginning aliens on the moon

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of form next to each other and in these

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positions and they and then they sort of

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get bigger and bigger and then they they

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disk and and form planets and there's a

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whole bunch of reasons why that doesn't

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that if that was really the way planets

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bunch of stuff off and under certain

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models to show you anything if you want

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them to it then somehow stabilizes in an

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orbit around the earth and forms the

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oxygen isotopes rate isotopic ratios of

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the earth if there was another foreign

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had a different isotope ratio and the

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the window and the one I favor is is the

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the spin energy one where it was

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momentum adds up which is basically just

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on the earth and it doesn't have a very

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big core if it had formed separately it

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core most likely so all these things to

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that this solar fishin theory of

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subsequently the moon fishing theory is

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the one that makes the most sense now

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the interesting part that you really get

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planet not a double planet system that

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planets orbiting mutually orbiting the

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system again absolutely the weirdest

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arrangement the weirdest arrangement in

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in the universe as far as we know and it

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kind of makes you think that somebody

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planned it that way well that's the

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thing I mean if you think that the moon

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came from the earth somehow it seems

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really tough to place that intelligently

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mean somebody didn't come along later

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earth because there's a lot of things

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that the moon does in terms of

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regulating the spent energy of the earth

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would spend a lot faster if the moon

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the earth and that's not a

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conventionally accepted theory but it

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hyperdimensional physics that Richard C

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Hoagland and Harold Turin developed

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subscribe and so it does a lot of things

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evidence that somebody's been you know

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inhabiting the moon and doing major

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millennia and they could certainly have

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been in a position to do these things

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and maybe even move it to where it

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needed to be well it's interesting

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because it does seem like something

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that's necessary for life here on the

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planet is yeah but are there not legends

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and you know like the Dogon tribe don't

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they have a legend about a time before

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the Moon aren't there ancient writings

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that talk about a time before the moon

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yeah there are some and there's the

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there's the idea that the Egyptians came

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up with where they talk about the five

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days out of time which is the extra five

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days added at the end of the year you

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know I we should have a 360 day year and

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the reason it's 365 and some change is I

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think because some very very bad very

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cataclysmic stuff happened in the solar

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system maybe not as long ago as some

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people think maybe a lot more recently

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than some people think and and their

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legend is is that you know the five

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extra days and had something to do with

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the formate with the moon being brought

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in and into place and and placed here

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but you know again it's hard to

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reconcile that with what what's now

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adding up to the scientific evidence

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which is that the moon essentially came

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from the earth and and that that's just

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one I have a hard time reconciling those

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ancient legends with although not that I

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don't have respect for those right maybe

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misinterpretations and again I don't I

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don't know enough about the Dogon

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legends I know some of the other legends

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and I covered covered a few of them in

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ancient aliens on the moon but what I

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can tell you is that I think the

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original Moon you know came from the

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earth and it's um it's it's basically

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part of the earth and that would make it

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probably on the order of four and a half

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billion years old because I think a lot

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of this stuff happened back in the very

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early formation period of the solar

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system it is an interesting celestial

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body and I mean them isn't the moon one

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of the only things it doesn't spin

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I mean well no it actually does spend

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what yeah because because it always

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keeps the same face to the earth people

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sometimes think it doesn't spin but in

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fact what it does is it spins in a

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synchronous relationship with the earth

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in other words the Earth's gravitational

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influence is sufficient that it's in

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what's called a tidal lock situation

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with the moon and the result of that is

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that well it rotates the Earth rotates

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once every 24 hours the moon rotates

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once every 27 days give or take and that

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is why it keeps one face to the earth at

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all times so yeah it does it does rotate

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and actually it's it's really

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interesting because the next book I'm

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going to do this year is going to be

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called ancient aliens on Mars and one of

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the things that we're going to discuss

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there is the fact that Mars has tidal

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bulges which are endemic of this title

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lock relationship and what that means is

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that Mars isn't the planet at all it's

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actually the moon of another much larger

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planet that doesn't exist anymore and

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you can prove that absolutely house and

351
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by the fact that it has these two tidal

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bulges exactly 180 degrees apart just as

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the moon does and just as the earth does

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I mean the moon's gravity makes the

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earth bulge a little bit at the equator

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and likewise the moon is more solid

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rocky so it doesn't bulge quite as much

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but definitely that interesting yeah it

359
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really is and it's one of the things I'm

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going to get into in more depth than

361
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I've ever gotten into before in the next

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book which you know God knows that I'm

363
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gonna have a chance to write well

364
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there's there's so many people talking

365
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about like like some of the old legends

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especially when you get into the ancient

367
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alien stuff and the conspiracy world in

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general about a Planet X about but

369
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visitors from a planet in some weird

370
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elliptical orbit I mean that was a big

371
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part of the twenty twelve thing

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people thought was gonna happen and I

373
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mean you look at the asteroid belt and

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that looks like a destroyed planet of

375
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some time yeah and that's you know I

376
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remember opening a book it was like a

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picture book and I think I must have

378
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been in third or fourth grade of the

379
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solar system and and I looked and

380
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there's you know every you know the

381
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planets are all basically about about

382
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two times farther from the Sun than the

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previous planet you know Mercury's one

384
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you know a certain distance and then

385
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twice as far away as Venus and twice as

386
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far away from that is the earth and

387
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twice as far away from that roughly as

388
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Mars although Mars has a

389
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really elliptical orbit and then you

390
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have the asteroid belt then you have

391
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Jupiter and as soon as I saw that I went

392
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well oh there used to be a planet there

393
00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:44,509
but it blew up you know and that that

394
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was a prevailing theory but but

395
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basically traditional science has worked

396
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very very hard to shoot that theory down

397
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and it's actually only been you know

398
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fairly recently with a with a physicist

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or a astronomer named dr. Tom Van

400
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Flandern late unfortunately dr. Tom Van

401
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Flandern who read and awakened this idea

402
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and came up with what he called the

403
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exploded planet hypothesis which

404
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actually talks about two planets one in

405
00:15:15,789 --> 00:15:13,699
the orbit roughly where Mars is and one

406
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where the asteroid belt is that that

407
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exploded and actually you know there's

408
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there's now observations of what they're

409
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calling super Earths which are these

410
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rocky terrestrial planets like the earth

411
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but which form in orbits deeper like

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around where Mars or where this the

413
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asteroid belt would be in our solar

414
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system and tend to be about five times

415
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as massive and guess what also tend to

416
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be more unstable meaning that they can

417
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spontaneously combust Wow so really I

418
00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:44,660
mean this is again this is what I'm

419
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going to talk about more in the Mars

420
00:15:50,259 --> 00:15:49,220
book is that that that you know I really

421
00:15:51,669 --> 00:15:50,269
think that Tom van Flannery has

422
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incorrect and he's got a lot of evidence

423
00:15:57,129 --> 00:15:54,799
to back it up he talks about the origins

424
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of comets and asteroids and and there's

425
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really no difference between them and

426
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and he just basically challenges a lot

427
00:16:04,179 --> 00:16:02,899
of the things that NASA's put forth and

428
00:16:07,569 --> 00:16:04,189
one of the things he did is he mapped

429
00:16:09,009 --> 00:16:07,579
the orbits of all of the Comets all the

430
00:16:10,989 --> 00:16:09,019
short period comets that have been

431
00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:10,999
observed and basically they all go back

432
00:16:14,499 --> 00:16:12,920
they all point back if you take their

433
00:16:17,889 --> 00:16:14,509
orbits and extrapolate them backwards in

434
00:16:20,289 --> 00:16:17,899
time they all point back to an orbit

435
00:16:23,769 --> 00:16:20,299
where the asteroid belt is now or where

436
00:16:25,119 --> 00:16:23,779
Mars is now roughly on the order of

437
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about two to three million years ago

438
00:16:28,749 --> 00:16:27,290
meaning that it could be sorry one of

439
00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:28,759
them 65 million years ago in one of

440
00:16:32,499 --> 00:16:29,809
them's about two or three million years

441
00:16:35,079 --> 00:16:32,509
ago so that's pretty hard to argue with

442
00:16:37,059 --> 00:16:35,089
so 65 million years that's uh when the

443
00:16:38,439 --> 00:16:37,069
dinosaurs were apparently yeah and I

444
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,449
think and again unfortunately this is

445
00:16:42,249 --> 00:16:40,399
not stuff is not really so much in

446
00:16:45,369 --> 00:16:42,259
ancient aliens of them gonna be an

447
00:16:47,379 --> 00:16:45,379
ancient aliens on Mars but um but yeah

448
00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:47,389
and I think that's what killed the

449
00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:49,820
dinosaurs and and if you if

450
00:16:54,910 --> 00:16:51,500
you buy into the you know that there was

451
00:16:58,390 --> 00:16:54,920
debris from these planets that basically

452
00:17:01,060 --> 00:16:58,400
um it hit Venus if you look at Venus

453
00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:01,070
there's this deep gash that runs all

454
00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:03,020
along about two-thirds of the surface of

455
00:17:08,890 --> 00:17:06,230
Venus and what clearly happened is is

456
00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:08,900
that something hit Venus at a kind of an

457
00:17:12,579 --> 00:17:11,030
oblique angle and scarred all the way

458
00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:12,589
around the planet is a rotate and then

459
00:17:16,540 --> 00:17:15,140
in fact I think it made Venus spin

460
00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:16,550
backwards it hit it so hard because

461
00:17:21,970 --> 00:17:18,410
Venus is the only planet that kind of

462
00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:21,980
spins anti-clockwise

463
00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:24,560
I don't remember which way the planets

464
00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:26,360
all spin but spins the opposite of all

465
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the other planets in the solar system

466
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and and I because I think that what used

467
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to have used to be in the way the solar

468
00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:33,650
system used to be set up was that there

469
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were three earths there was an inner

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earth and outer earth and a middle earth

471
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and I think the the Inner Earth was

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Venus the outer earth was Mars which was

473
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actually a moon of this other planet and

474
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the middle earth the only one that's

475
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left is this one and what would have

476
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happened under circumstances like that

477
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:50,060
would be that it that the oceans that

478
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,770
Venus had would have been instantly

479
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vaporized it would have created this

480
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massive cloud cover and the resultant

481
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volcanic activity would have then put

482
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all the sulfur into the air and

483
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basically made Venus you know an

484
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unlivable hell it also would have in the

485
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exploded planet hypothesis not probably

486
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:10,300
any moons that might have been orbiting

487
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Venus out of orbit because according to

488
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that hypothesis the smaller planets like

489
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the earth and Venus should have one

490
00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:19,460
fairly large moon and the bigger planets

491
00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:21,470
the gas giants should have multiple

492
00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:23,540
smaller moons and in fact I think

493
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mercury is also an escaped moon of Venus

494
00:18:31,690 --> 00:18:29,360
I think that the Venus and Earth and the

495
00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:31,700
moon and Mercury were a twin pair system

496
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because that's kind of the basis of what

497
00:18:38,650 --> 00:18:35,930
that Flat Earth theory is so we're

498
00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:38,660
little off topic oh yeah that's it

499
00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:41,150
solitary condition and it's all relate

500
00:18:45,670 --> 00:18:43,700
you know it's all related so now in my

501
00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:45,680
mind what killed the dinosaurs was

502
00:18:49,030 --> 00:18:47,270
probably multiple impacts from the

503
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debris from the 65 million years ago

504
00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:53,750
explosion and and you know that and what

505
00:18:58,210 --> 00:18:56,180
happens then is it in the bigger context

506
00:19:00,430 --> 00:18:58,220
of the the hyperdimensional physics the

507
00:19:02,110 --> 00:19:00,440
idea that the solar system is a system

508
00:19:04,029 --> 00:19:02,120
and that all of the planets

509
00:19:08,110 --> 00:19:04,039
through their spin energy are actually

510
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,120
pushing themselves and interacting with

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each other at the on these higher planes

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and having physical effects here in 3d

513
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and the result of all that would be

514
00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:16,640
losing two members of the solar system

515
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losing their spin energy would mean that

516
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life would get smaller because there

517
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would be less energy in the overall

518
00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:27,350
system therefore less energy for life

519
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:29,270
and that may be why we saw the

520
00:19:33,970 --> 00:19:31,610
disappearance of the dinosaurs and the

521
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:33,980
emergence of the mammals and you know

522
00:19:38,049 --> 00:19:35,450
let's face it people are not as big as

523
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:38,059
dinosaurs so I think it just it just

524
00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:39,710
implies that there's maybe a different

525
00:19:42,909 --> 00:19:41,390
the idea is that there's a different

526
00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:42,919
physics operating in the solar system

527
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:45,529
now than there was 65 million years ago

528
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,090
because there's two planets that aren't

529
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:50,000
here generate energy anymore so that's a

530
00:19:54,330 --> 00:19:51,770
little bit more back on my second book

531
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,340
out of my second book the choice but

532
00:19:58,389 --> 00:19:56,720
it's all interesting I mean yeah let's

533
00:20:00,460 --> 00:19:58,399
to bring this back to the moon a little

534
00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:00,470
bit with ancient aliens a lot of the

535
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:02,120
things people point to as evidence that

536
00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:04,490
there once advanced civilization here is

537
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:05,960
the ruins you know the kind of things

538
00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:07,730
that are out there the giant stone

539
00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:09,260
structures that we just couldn't even

540
00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:11,480
build today yeah that's usually what

541
00:20:15,940 --> 00:20:13,640
people look at but those exist on the

542
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:15,950
moon do they not yeah they do and the

543
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,350
thing is to me it's like why why sit

544
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:21,760
here and argue you know about about

545
00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:24,890
whether you know the the ancients could

546
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:27,260
have built the pyramids or not when all

547
00:20:31,269 --> 00:20:29,690
you have to do is is figure that look if

548
00:20:32,409 --> 00:20:31,279
there were ancient aliens they wouldn't

549
00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:32,419
have just been on earth they would have

550
00:20:37,539 --> 00:20:33,590
visited other planets in the solar

551
00:20:39,789 --> 00:20:37,549
system and other places and if you go

552
00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:39,799
there and you find pyramids on the moon

553
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,049
or you find artificial structures on the

554
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:43,760
moon or on Mars then you've pretty much

555
00:20:47,139 --> 00:20:45,890
proven the ancient aliens hypothesis and

556
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:47,149
there's there can't be any argument

557
00:20:52,299 --> 00:20:49,010
because you know according to the other

558
00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:52,309
side there these other places were you

559
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:53,990
know never inhabited by any advanced

560
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:56,570
civilizations well right so therefore

561
00:21:00,490 --> 00:20:57,890
basically to me it's an ace-in-the-hole

562
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:00,500
and that's why I'm more fascinated by

563
00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:01,970
ancient aliens on the moon and ancient

564
00:21:05,529 --> 00:21:04,220
aliens on Mars just as two places

565
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:05,539
because there's other places in the

566
00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:06,970
solar system that we could look at too

567
00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:08,870
that's why I'm more interested in it

568
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:11,630
because to me once you find evidence of

569
00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:14,960
it you know it the gate it's game over

570
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:15,860
and you

571
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:17,690
argue that well you know the ancients

572
00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:19,490
may have really had this advanced

573
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,260
knowledge and new mathematics and

574
00:21:26,289 --> 00:21:22,880
somehow learned it from I don't know

575
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:26,299
some osmosis process or something so you

576
00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:28,070
have that by definition than you have

577
00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:30,590
ancient alien civilizations unless

578
00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:33,110
unless of course this stuff that we see

579
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:34,429
on the moon and stuff that we see on

580
00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:37,760
Mars is actually part of an Atlantean

581
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:40,360
civilization you know some earlier

582
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:43,880
highly advanced human civilization that

583
00:21:46,810 --> 00:21:45,410
once thrived and I think I think

584
00:21:48,159 --> 00:21:46,820
actually especially on the moon I think

585
00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:48,169
that's what some of what we're looking

586
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:50,500
at is because the architecture looks

587
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,970
human it you know it uses the same

588
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:55,280
engineering principles and unless those

589
00:22:00,610 --> 00:21:57,710
principles are necessarily Universal

590
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:00,620
which they could be it's just weird that

591
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,190
some of the artistic aspects of it to me

592
00:22:07,690 --> 00:22:06,320
look like our stuff and they're

593
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:07,700
definitely in ruins and are definitely

594
00:22:11,710 --> 00:22:10,130
very old so they can't be you know they

595
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:11,720
can't be some of you know John Lear

596
00:22:15,549 --> 00:22:13,370
talks about active bases on the moon

597
00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:15,559
which they there may very well be that

598
00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:17,929
are ours that are our secret stuff but

599
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:19,400
because of the fact that they're ancient

600
00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:20,809
and they're in ruins then they really

601
00:22:27,370 --> 00:22:23,030
can't be accounted for through modern

602
00:22:29,049 --> 00:22:27,380
activity so it's know let's talk about

603
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:29,059
the details of some of that stuff

604
00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:30,559
because your book that's the main focus

605
00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:32,270
you know you show the things like the

606
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:34,929
things like the shard and the tower and

607
00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:37,730
the ukirt crater like yeah I know

608
00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:40,070
anomalous things crater yeah what do you

609
00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:41,980
think is some of the more important

610
00:22:48,010 --> 00:22:46,220
aspects of that well the there's

611
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:48,020
different places on the moon where

612
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,610
there's evidence of different types of

613
00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:51,440
structures and what you see is really I

614
00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:52,790
guess I'd classify them as three

615
00:22:55,390 --> 00:22:53,990
different kinds of things that I talked

616
00:22:58,419 --> 00:22:55,400
about in the book which is you've got

617
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,429
these towering transparent or

618
00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:00,559
semi-transparent glass structures like a

619
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,260
scaffolding that is built over the

620
00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:05,600
surface of the Moon and a lot of the

621
00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:06,950
evidence for that is in the sinus

622
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:10,160
meddigan and an Oceanus Procellarum and

623
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:12,410
also in mario Crisium which are specific

624
00:23:18,580 --> 00:23:14,770
chapters that that I go into in the book

625
00:23:20,350 --> 00:23:18,590
and that is I believe that built as a

626
00:23:22,299 --> 00:23:20,360
meteor shield because you know people

627
00:23:24,790 --> 00:23:22,309
think well glass is fragile well glass

628
00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:24,800
is not fragile if it doesn't have

629
00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:26,390
moisture in it it's it's the moisture

630
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:28,520
that you can't get out of the glass when

631
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:29,360
you form it on

632
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,820
the earth that makes it fragile too you

633
00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:33,679
know a baseball going through through

634
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:35,870
the the you know the bedroom window kind

635
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,690
of a situation where glass in a vacuum

636
00:23:43,810 --> 00:23:40,640
is not going to have any moisture and

637
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:43,820
it's in it at all in a vacuum it's going

638
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:45,890
to be twice as strong as steel so it's

639
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:47,570
the perfect material because it's so

640
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:50,480
lightweight to build almost like a

641
00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:52,490
pretend atmosphere over the moon itself

642
00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:53,720
and I think there's really clear

643
00:23:57,730 --> 00:23:55,750
evidence of that that I show in the book

644
00:23:59,650 --> 00:23:57,740
and one other thing too I wanted to

645
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,660
point out is that you know you lose a

646
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,760
lot of resolution in print there's just

647
00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:03,919
no way around it true and what I want to

648
00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:05,270
look up people know is they do have you

649
00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:07,160
know our website it's Mike Berra with

650
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:10,340
with one our mike barratt blog spot.com

651
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:12,500
and on there if you go to the photos tab

652
00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:14,570
there's a link to a Picasa Web album

653
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:15,740
where I have all the pictures from the

654
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:18,140
book in full resolution so people can

655
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:20,510
see in much better detail when I'm when

656
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:21,770
I'm showing in the book because I know

657
00:24:26,919 --> 00:24:24,770
not everybody necessarily can you know

658
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:26,929
see the things I'm pointing out just

659
00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:28,250
because you lose some definition

660
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:31,790
sometimes in the printing process but so

661
00:24:34,210 --> 00:24:33,110
you've got these towering sort of glass

662
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:34,220
structures which i think is the

663
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,650
overarching thing that kind of goes over

664
00:24:39,730 --> 00:24:38,240
it almost acts like an atmosphere it

665
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:39,740
protects it protected the moon at one

666
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,870
time the way the atmosphere of the earth

667
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:43,520
protects us for meteors although as we

668
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:45,770
saw in Russia last week doesn't protect

669
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,900
us 100% does it and those are in certain

670
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,360
places there's still a lot of that stuff

671
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:55,520
left and it's still very solid and

672
00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:57,350
structural and you see examples like the

673
00:25:01,240 --> 00:24:59,480
shard on the tower which are much lower

674
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,250
to the surface you know between 1 & 7

675
00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:03,440
miles high as opposed to some of the

676
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:05,780
stuff which is upwards of 20 miles high

677
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:08,330
and there's other places where it's been

678
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,090
beaten and battered and it's basically

679
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:13,760
you know like cigarette ash or something

680
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:16,340
it's just very easy to sort of pass

681
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,900
through and there's places where there's

682
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,760
not even any coverage anymore and then

683
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:23,120
below that in one of the areas of Mario

684
00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:24,950
Crisium I show some stuff like for

685
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:26,270
instance there's a couple of craters

686
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:27,860
that appear to have sort of the watch

687
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:31,130
crystal standard glass dome over the top

688
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:32,270
of them they're craters have just have

689
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:33,470
had these glass domes and then there's

690
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:36,290
other craters in the area that look like

691
00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:37,850
they used to have these domes sort of

692
00:25:43,030 --> 00:25:40,870
these pie shaped what kind of

693
00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:43,040
wedge-shaped

694
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:44,840
glass dome structures that have been

695
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:46,910
shattered and broken down and they're

696
00:25:51,490 --> 00:25:49,910
kind of bent over and then even below

697
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,500
that then you see on the surface of the

698
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:53,600
moon in areas like the rim of the crater

699
00:26:00,100 --> 00:25:56,410
Copernicus and the rims the crater

700
00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:00,110
Kepler and even inside of Tycho you see

701
00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:01,880
evidence of just straight-up

702
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:04,520
architecture you see roads overpasses

703
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:08,270
bridges there's huge mechanical drills

704
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:10,310
and things that that you know are

705
00:26:15,550 --> 00:26:12,590
drilling to the side of mountains that

706
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:15,560
have these long stems or tubes like

707
00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:19,310
looks like a big pipeline running you

708
00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:20,780
know for miles and miles along the lunar

709
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:25,040
surface I even found in one image what I

710
00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:27,290
think is unmistakeably looks like a

711
00:26:34,150 --> 00:26:31,220
flying saucer big flying saucer in what

712
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:34,160
is clearly a carved out hangar in the

713
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:35,810
side of a mountain and it's just an

714
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:38,630
extraordinary image and you know so

715
00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:39,890
you've got all these different sets of

716
00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:42,260
structures and things and you know it

717
00:26:44,890 --> 00:26:44,150
does I have to say all of it look like

718
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:44,900
it's in ruins

719
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:46,760
there's other places where you can

720
00:26:49,570 --> 00:26:48,110
actually see that there's holes punched

721
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:49,580
in the surface and underneath those

722
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:52,520
holes you can see you know interlocking

723
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:55,370
piping and tubing and you can see

724
00:26:59,500 --> 00:26:57,290
substructure you can actually see stuff

725
00:27:01,960 --> 00:26:59,510
that's at geometric angles and right

726
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:01,970
angles I mean it looks like it looks

727
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:04,010
like the old sci-fi movie Forbidden

728
00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:06,050
Planet you know it looks like the Krell

729
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:08,150
ruins underground or you know still

730
00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:10,850
operating so there's just extraordinary

731
00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:13,670
stuff if you really begin to study the

732
00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:15,140
the images of the moon the ones that

733
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:15,950
have been tampered with and

734
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:17,570
unfortunately there are quite a few that

735
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:19,250
have been tampered with but that they

736
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,290
you know there's so much stuff on these

737
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:22,880
images that I think it's just impossible

738
00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:27,050
for them to to have accounted for all of

739
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,040
it and in some cases I think that that

740
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,480
they don't mind us finding some of this

741
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,120
stuff it's part of it is that that the

742
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:38,000
only things are really going to put the

743
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,290
clamps down on and really go out of

744
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:41,360
their way to cover-up is the really

745
00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:43,640
really obvious smoking gun stuff that

746
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:45,020
people have brought up in the public

747
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:47,570
forums so I was a really long answer to

748
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:48,110
it

749
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:50,570
well yeah I mean clearly NASA has to

750
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:52,130
notice I mean if you're able to see some

751
00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:53,780
things clearly they have to have a

752
00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:55,580
pretty good idea and you know we're

753
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,840
supposedly we've been there

754
00:27:59,529 --> 00:27:58,159
for I mean there's a lot of theories

755
00:28:01,240 --> 00:27:59,539
about the moon-landing that it didn't

756
00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:01,250
happen it was faked by Stanley Kubrick

757
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:04,220
that it was they were tailed and closely

758
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:06,409
watched by aliens while they were on

759
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,950
their journey

760
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:08,720
and of course both can't be true they

761
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:10,700
can't have been followed by UFOs and not

762
00:28:14,919 --> 00:28:13,220
gone so I mean clearly you think we've

763
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:14,929
we've gone but what's the Mike burrow

764
00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:17,929
analysis of the 1969 moon landing well

765
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:19,340
we wet there's no question in my mind

766
00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:20,870
that we went I think one of the best

767
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:22,700
arguments just to be made on a

768
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:24,409
superficial basis is if we were going to

769
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,850
fake it why would we fake it nine times

770
00:28:30,639 --> 00:28:28,159
we went to the moon nine time so why

771
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:30,649
would we fake that why not just fake it

772
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:32,510
once or twice and then and then shut the

773
00:28:38,649 --> 00:28:35,570
thing down the reality is that we did go

774
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:38,659
and we were successful in landing six

775
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:40,820
times and 12 astronauts on the surface

776
00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:42,470
and I think they actually brought some

777
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:44,870
some technology and some artifacts that

778
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,529
they found back with them the arguments

779
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:51,200
that we didn't go are very weak they're

780
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:52,730
made by people with not a lot of

781
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:54,710
engineering experience or practical

782
00:28:59,710 --> 00:28:57,049
knowledge as I've studied them over the

783
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,720
years they've all fallen apart and it's

784
00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:02,000
funny because if you go to my first book

785
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,380
that I wrote with Richard Hoagland dark

786
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:06,080
mission what we discuss in there is his

787
00:29:10,539 --> 00:29:08,360
firsthand observation that the people

788
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:10,549
who actually started that rumor that we

789
00:29:15,399 --> 00:29:13,730
never went even before Neil and Buzz and

790
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:15,409
Michael Collins splashed down on their

791
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:18,860
way back from Apollo 11 in 1969 the

792
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:21,320
people who started this rumor way back

793
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:23,270
in 69 who first put it out into the

794
00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:24,740
ether you know put it into the system

795
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:29,240
mm-hmm was NASA itself there was a big

796
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:32,419
incident where the the JPL press

797
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:35,690
director was personally escorting this

798
00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:38,570
crazy guy around JPL and helping him

799
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:41,630
hand out leaflets that said that the

800
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:44,990
whole thing was faked at a TV you know

801
00:29:50,649 --> 00:29:48,289
on a on it's staged in Nevada and that

802
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:50,659
we never went to the moon and that NASA

803
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:52,370
was helping this guy get his message to

804
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:53,870
all of the different media outlets that

805
00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:55,820
were there to cover the splashdown in

806
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,559
recovery of the astronauts from Apollo

807
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,120
11 and I think the reason they did that

808
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:02,000
is because what they were doing was

809
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:03,289
covering stuff up what they were

810
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:05,480
covering up was the real reasons they

811
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:07,190
went what they were really looking for

812
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,720
and what they really found

813
00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:10,640
and what they wanted to do was to create

814
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:13,340
a mean you know sort of a cultural mean

815
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:16,670
right put it out there so that that that

816
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,830
would be easily discredited which I

817
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:21,200
think this one is so that you know

818
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:22,520
whenever anybody mentions NASA and

819
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:24,350
conspiracy they'd go oh yeah you mean

820
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:25,730
like that nutty thing that we never went

821
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:27,650
so you know I think it was like a cover

822
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:29,450
story to cover what they were really

823
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,590
doing and you know I do talk about the

824
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,600
Apollo 17 chapter I do talk about the

825
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:37,840
fact that that they did things like

826
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:40,610
there's a really interesting formation

827
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:42,650
called Nansen which looks like sort of a

828
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:46,460
v-shaped entrance into essentially a

829
00:30:51,130 --> 00:30:49,970
gigantic hexagonal quote mountain not on

830
00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:51,140
the moon which I don't think is a

831
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:51,980
mountain at all I think it's an

832
00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:53,230
artificial structure though it's been

833
00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:56,360
very heavily damaged and they they

834
00:31:00,490 --> 00:30:58,550
actually on the second day of the Apollo

835
00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:00,500
17 mission they drove right up to this

836
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:03,140
entrance parked right above it and then

837
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:04,910
the astronauts step off camera and

838
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:07,190
they're off camera for about thirty

839
00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:08,600
minutes while the camera just pans

840
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:11,240
aimlessly around and then like what what

841
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:13,040
were they doing right at this thing that

842
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:15,080
looks like an entrance and the others

843
00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:16,670
astronauts they say these very cryptic

844
00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:18,380
things like you know I just want you

845
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:19,820
guys back in control to know that we

846
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:21,650
haven't we haven't really had a chance

847
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:24,260
to look around any more than you've seen

848
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:25,670
and that's interesting to myself well

849
00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:27,860
yet we haven't seen anything so you know

850
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:29,720
what do what were they doing there and

851
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:30,890
you know they just again you put

852
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,600
together their statements and it's

853
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:35,360
really obvious that that the mission was

854
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:38,960
something other than what then than what

855
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:40,610
we've been told all the mission at

856
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:43,190
different functions but you know like

857
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,170
Apollo 11 I think was purely symbolic it

858
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:47,120
was get to the moon land out in the

859
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:48,500
middle of nowhere where there were no

860
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:51,950
glass ruins to run into and you know

861
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:53,990
performed Buzz Aldrin's Masonic ceremony

862
00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:55,790
and get the hell back safe and sound I

863
00:31:59,290 --> 00:31:57,500
think that would be the plan that was

864
00:32:01,960 --> 00:31:59,300
another one of my questions up but this

865
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:01,970
the Masonic ceremony is yes real that

866
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:03,500
would range before we go off on that I

867
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:04,730
want to say one other thing you also

868
00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:06,230
asked me about and I don't mean to just

869
00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:07,880
completely dominate here at school so

870
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:10,180
much stuff I want to get out for but um

871
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:12,050
one of the other things I want to tell

872
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:13,970
you is that the story about them being

873
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:16,790
followed by UFOs and stuff people don't

874
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,470
you know it's really weird I have to

875
00:32:22,419 --> 00:32:21,110
write books because I it's like I need

876
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:22,429
to remind people of thing

877
00:32:27,789 --> 00:32:25,129
in context that they tend to forget Buzz

878
00:32:30,009 --> 00:32:27,799
Aldrin was on a TV program about five

879
00:32:31,419 --> 00:32:30,019
six years ago was a British produced

880
00:32:33,489 --> 00:32:31,429
program if the name escapes me at the

881
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:33,499
moment but he flat out said and we

882
00:32:36,879 --> 00:32:34,580
talked about this in dark mission he

883
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,889
flat-out said they were followed for at

884
00:32:42,009 --> 00:32:39,440
least one a period of time by what he

885
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:42,019
described is basically a UFO he clearly

886
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:43,730
said it could not be accounted for it

887
00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:45,230
was not the third stage it was not any

888
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:46,580
part of their mission it was something

889
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:49,129
else that was following them for a while

890
00:32:53,409 --> 00:32:50,450
and then there's the rumor that when

891
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:53,419
they landed the Neil Armstrong called in

892
00:32:57,580 --> 00:32:55,970
and said there's three of them on the

893
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:57,590
rim of a crater and they're watching us

894
00:33:01,539 --> 00:32:59,210
and they're really huge and it's really

895
00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:01,549
kind of scary now that supposedly

896
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:03,139
happened right after he said you know

897
00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:04,639
tranquility base here the eagle has

898
00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:06,230
landed and people say oh well that never

899
00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:07,789
happened there's no proof of it but what

900
00:33:11,499 --> 00:33:09,860
I can tell you is this they did have a

901
00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:11,509
private channel where they could talk to

902
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:14,059
their doctors okay and at any time any

903
00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:15,440
of the astronauts could go to a private

904
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:17,720
channel talk directly to their doctors

905
00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:19,159
and tell them anything that might be

906
00:33:22,239 --> 00:33:20,509
going on with them personally at least

907
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:22,249
that was the idea you could also of

908
00:33:27,249 --> 00:33:24,169
course transmit any other kind of

909
00:33:29,499 --> 00:33:27,259
information through for instance there's

910
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,509
UFOs there's flying saucers on the

911
00:33:32,109 --> 00:33:31,039
crater right in front of us what the

912
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,119
hell do you want us to do could you

913
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,159
please go ask you know the guys at

914
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,600
Mission Control could you please get up

915
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:37,820
from your desk and go ask what's his

916
00:33:41,739 --> 00:33:39,049
name gene Krantz what the hell were

917
00:33:43,239 --> 00:33:41,749
supposed to do about this and the thing

918
00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:43,249
I will tell you about that story is that

919
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:45,559
there's no recording of this there's no

920
00:33:49,869 --> 00:33:47,869
real credibility to it except this I

921
00:33:52,659 --> 00:33:49,879
have a friend in Ken Johnson jr. worked

922
00:33:57,399 --> 00:33:52,669
at NASA at the time through the 60s and

923
00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:57,409
into the 70s and he's told me that that

924
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:00,860
rumor was spreading around NASA all the

925
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:02,450
way through the halls at NASA within

926
00:34:06,369 --> 00:34:04,460
about 30 or 40 minutes of the moon

927
00:34:07,869 --> 00:34:06,379
landing in other words people were

928
00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:07,879
talking about other people had heard

929
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:10,760
this and we're repeating the story so to

930
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:13,220
me that gives it kind of an interesting

931
00:34:16,539 --> 00:34:15,049
credibility either it's another false

932
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:16,549
rumor that NASA wanted to be spread

933
00:34:21,129 --> 00:34:18,859
around but the fact that it was being

934
00:34:23,049 --> 00:34:21,139
openly talked about within the hallowed

935
00:34:25,869 --> 00:34:23,059
halls of NASA indicates to me that that

936
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,879
story might actually be true man there's

937
00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:27,200
no question we have massive

938
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:30,200
disinformation usually coming from the

939
00:34:34,839 --> 00:34:32,149
sources that you go to for your actual

940
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:34,849
information it puts us in an odd

941
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,260
predicament in a weird

942
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:37,760
but there's another documentary out

943
00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:39,399
there I've seen where they talk about

944
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:42,500
the code word for UFOs with Santa Claus

945
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:43,550
I don't know if you're familiar with

946
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:45,770
this yeah but you can there is some

947
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:47,540
audio of them saying we have a Santa

948
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:50,060
Claus at like you know six o'clock or

949
00:34:53,409 --> 00:34:52,130
whatever sure yeah I mean I think the

950
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:53,419
actual line is something along the lines

951
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:54,110
of please

952
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,750
you know um you know please pass the

953
00:35:00,070 --> 00:34:58,130
word that there isn't set that there is

954
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:00,080
a Santa Claus and it makes it's clearly

955
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:01,790
a code transmission there's other other

956
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:03,350
code transmissions when they talk about

957
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:05,450
we're going over to the hotel and things

958
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:07,010
like that yeah like what the hell are

959
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:09,830
they talking about so um you know there

960
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:14,690
there were classified projects that the

961
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:16,280
guys did operate I mean like on Apollo

962
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:18,050
17 there was this classified project

963
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:20,630
called chapel Bell which nobody really

964
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,610
knows what it was and it's still

965
00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:24,320
classified thirty or forty five years

966
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:27,800
later or whatever it is and and so there

967
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:29,270
could be references to actual Defense

968
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:31,010
Department stuff that they had to be

969
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:33,560
doing but yeah I mean the Santa Claus

970
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:36,650
story is absolutely true and again if

971
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:38,390
you if you read through the actual

972
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:40,730
transcripts of what some of the dialogue

973
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:43,130
was it gets pretty weird pretty fast on

974
00:35:49,090 --> 00:35:47,210
almost all the missions and I've Valli

975
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:49,100
heard about the stories of there

976
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:51,320
actually being aliens on the moon when

977
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:52,850
they landed but is there any more are

978
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,740
there any other times where you've heard

979
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:56,240
that or there any legs to that rumor

980
00:35:59,860 --> 00:35:57,740
there's no legs to that that I've ever

981
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,870
been able to find uh they actually had

982
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:02,000
any sort of face-to-face encounters but

983
00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:04,190
you know again they go back and they say

984
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,750
well we you know we were warned off well

985
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:07,040
again if we were warned off why do we

986
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:09,110
land five more times after Apollo 11

987
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:10,760
true that's kind of like getting in

988
00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:12,740
their faces about it but there's just

989
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,270
there's just too many weird things that

990
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:15,920
went on with the space for a program you

991
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:20,120
know Apollo 13 13 being unlucky there's

992
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:23,510
an explosion on the ship it it launches

993
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:25,790
get this the launch you know at the time

994
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,310
the the time of the launch of Apollo 13

995
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,560
was it was 13 13

996
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:32,720
that's the 24-hour clock timing of the

997
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:34,610
exact moment of the launch I mean just

998
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:36,890
crazy stuff that that if you look at all

999
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:40,670
the symbolism and and coincidences they

1000
00:36:45,850 --> 00:36:43,610
just don't they just can't be random

1001
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:45,860
they they appear to be some sort of

1002
00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:48,020
pattern and that's really what I talked

1003
00:36:50,019 --> 00:36:49,190
about a dark mission to talk less about

1004
00:36:51,969 --> 00:36:50,029
the conspiracy

1005
00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:51,979
stuff more about this destructors and

1006
00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:53,869
the artifacts and ancient aliens on the

1007
00:36:58,209 --> 00:36:56,659
moon but yeah those uh patterns I mean

1008
00:37:01,329 --> 00:36:58,219
they exist everywhere you know people

1009
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:01,339
call them synchronicities but in and I

1010
00:37:05,049 --> 00:37:03,529
actually gave dark mission to my father

1011
00:37:06,459 --> 00:37:05,059
as a Christmas present a couple years

1012
00:37:08,499 --> 00:37:06,469
ago I didn't get to read it myself but

1013
00:37:09,939 --> 00:37:08,509
he really liked it and you know he was

1014
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:09,949
telling me about some of that stuff but

1015
00:37:14,799 --> 00:37:12,529
what I was like the the dark missions of

1016
00:37:16,479 --> 00:37:14,809
course or the apparently the veiled

1017
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:16,489
missions for why we're really doing the

1018
00:37:20,319 --> 00:37:18,169
things that NASA is doing and you lay

1019
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:20,329
out even in this book some of the Apollo

1020
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:22,729
missions and you know what their dark

1021
00:37:28,929 --> 00:37:25,849
mission you what you suggest it might be

1022
00:37:32,829 --> 00:37:28,939
what is all that like why did why does

1023
00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:32,839
NASA have so many a cultish type ideas

1024
00:37:38,229 --> 00:37:34,789
why do they do things in such patterns

1025
00:37:41,019 --> 00:37:38,239
well the thing is that what we wrote

1026
00:37:43,629 --> 00:37:41,029
about in dark mission was that NASA if

1027
00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:43,639
you look at it was essentially run by

1028
00:37:49,299 --> 00:37:46,579
three different secret societies open

1029
00:37:51,279 --> 00:37:49,309
secret societies one was the Freemasons

1030
00:37:51,609 --> 00:37:51,289
the Scottish Rite Freemason the 33rd

1031
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,619
degree

1032
00:37:55,779 --> 00:37:54,079
I mean basically most of the astronauts

1033
00:37:57,399 --> 00:37:55,789
at least the important ones that walked

1034
00:37:59,709 --> 00:37:57,409
on the surface of the Moon were not only

1035
00:38:01,739 --> 00:37:59,719
members of the Freemasons they were 32nd

1036
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:01,749
or 33rd degree but they were also

1037
00:38:06,309 --> 00:38:04,129
members of the same Lodge so that would

1038
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:06,319
be as if as if let's say I forget the

1039
00:38:08,889 --> 00:38:07,729
exact number but let's say six out of

1040
00:38:10,809 --> 00:38:08,899
the twelve guys that walked on the moon

1041
00:38:13,059 --> 00:38:10,819
if they were all Mormons and a tenth of

1042
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:13,069
the same Mormon Church and they and he

1043
00:38:16,569 --> 00:38:14,689
found out later they performed a Mormon

1044
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:16,579
ceremony in a lunar module that that

1045
00:38:20,379 --> 00:38:19,249
would be a little weird you know so some

1046
00:38:21,489 --> 00:38:20,389
people would not have a problem with

1047
00:38:22,539 --> 00:38:21,499
that because that would be somehow

1048
00:38:24,249 --> 00:38:22,549
acceptable but when you start talking

1049
00:38:26,049 --> 00:38:24,259
about the Freemasons oh all of a sudden

1050
00:38:28,509 --> 00:38:26,059
you know it's something you can't really

1051
00:38:31,479 --> 00:38:28,519
talk about but they seem to be in charge

1052
00:38:33,369 --> 00:38:31,489
there was also obviously the Nazi

1053
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:33,379
faction that you have which is the

1054
00:38:38,619 --> 00:38:36,169
Wernher von Braun's and Kurt Debus and

1055
00:38:41,139 --> 00:38:38,629
people that ran everything at the

1056
00:38:44,469 --> 00:38:41,149
rocketry programs were all Nazis and

1057
00:38:46,649 --> 00:38:44,479
then you look at JPL which is the you

1058
00:38:49,179 --> 00:38:46,659
know the the unmanned space probe

1059
00:38:51,129 --> 00:38:49,189
Factory basically for NASA that runs all

1060
00:38:56,169 --> 00:38:51,139
these missions to Mars and the origins

1061
00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:56,179
of JPL were the guys who formed JPL

1062
00:39:01,119 --> 00:38:57,679
essentially we're all involved in

1063
00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:01,129
various occult practices associated with

1064
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:03,360
people like Aleister Crowley

1065
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:05,250
Harbor to the side Church of Scientology

1066
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:07,800
and all sorts of you know very off the

1067
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:09,990
wall black magic cults and and when you

1068
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:12,750
get into their belief systems at the

1069
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,630
core of all three of these organizations

1070
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:18,000
their core belief system is that we are

1071
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:20,250
descended from gods who came from

1072
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,410
another planet and very specifically

1073
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:24,240
they all believed that those gods were

1074
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:27,780
the Egyptian gods Isis Osiris Horus and

1075
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:31,650
Seth and if you look at the symbolism in

1076
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:35,370
NASA right down to the Apollo mission

1077
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,400
patch the original Apollo program patch

1078
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:39,900
having the constellation of Orion on it

1079
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:41,460
which in the Egyptian ancient Egyptian

1080
00:39:47,570 --> 00:39:44,610
religion represented Osiris who is the

1081
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:47,580
top god it all just adds up and you

1082
00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:49,230
start looking at different things like

1083
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:52,830
the Apollo 16 landing the lunar module

1084
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:54,570
was named Orion therefore it was

1085
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:56,310
basically named after this Egyptian god

1086
00:40:04,580 --> 00:40:01,140
Osiris it landed on the moon on April

1087
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:04,590
20th 1972 which happens to be Adolf

1088
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,140
Hitler's birthday for Jenny and had

1089
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,300
added exactly that yeah 420 you guys

1090
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:11,760
would know about it and at exactly the

1091
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:13,860
moment that they landed the three belt

1092
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:15,540
stars of Orion in other words the main

1093
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:19,320
feature the main you know the main

1094
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:21,210
identifier of Orion the three belt stars

1095
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,420
were right at 33 degrees above that

1096
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:26,880
specific landing site and only that

1097
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:28,710
landing site on the surface of the moon

1098
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:30,870
at that time in other words you

1099
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:35,160
basically had an homage to the Nazis to

1100
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:40,530
the Freemasons and to the JPL crowd all

1101
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:42,780
right there all of it sort of under this

1102
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:43,350
one

1103
00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:46,290
you know Vail and those kinds of things

1104
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,580
are just you know they're too weird for

1105
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:49,260
me to ignore and they just repeat over

1106
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,900
and over and over again in in these

1107
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,940
different missions so you have this

1108
00:40:58,940 --> 00:40:56,640
really strange organization which

1109
00:41:00,740 --> 00:40:58,950
appears to be almost you know more

1110
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:00,750
religion based but it's an occulted

1111
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:03,690
religion an ancient religion and I think

1112
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:05,430
that they believed that they had to do

1113
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:08,550
these things when the stars were in the

1114
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:11,220
correct positions in order for their you

1115
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:12,990
know endeavors to be blessed by the gods

1116
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:15,180
and that's quite honestly quite flatly

1117
00:41:20,539 --> 00:41:17,190
what I think the very top people in NASA

1118
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:20,549
we're trying to do with all the timing

1119
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:21,990
of these launches and all these dates

1120
00:41:26,289 --> 00:41:23,670
and the landings and all that kind of

1121
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:26,299
stuff they were definitely trying to be

1122
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:29,700
in accordance with and with and

1123
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:31,410
respectful to you know the belief

1124
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:33,270
systems that they were handed down from

1125
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:37,200
their gods and and you know that's it's

1126
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:38,670
it's really hard to convince people that

1127
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:40,710
we're not crazy the guys that that ran

1128
00:41:45,799 --> 00:41:43,740
NASA R and a great extent they still are

1129
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,809
so because he's Oprah they still do

1130
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:47,880
these ritual things I mean all over the

1131
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:49,650
conspiracy world among the elites and

1132
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:51,240
everything you have these type of weird

1133
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,130
rituals and I I'd have a hard time

1134
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:54,480
wrapping my head around it if it's like

1135
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:56,670
a superstition to them or if it really

1136
00:42:01,579 --> 00:41:59,400
does release some type of ethereal

1137
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:01,589
energy or something I think it's both I

1138
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,720
think it's actually both yeah and then

1139
00:42:07,099 --> 00:42:05,400
if you think it's it does release some

1140
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,109
type of energy then that's odd you know

1141
00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:08,880
we don't have in the mainstream there's

1142
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:11,789
no acceptance of that whatsoever right

1143
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:14,460
right but if you but again if you as you

1144
00:42:18,589 --> 00:42:16,230
dig into the the hyperdimensional

1145
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,599
physics theory at all all these numbers

1146
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:20,099
and all these coincidences and all these

1147
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,770
things do add up because when stars and

1148
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,940
planets are aligned in certain

1149
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,500
situations you're going to get more

1150
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,480
favorable energies or you're going to be

1151
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,240
able to use this sort of secret science

1152
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:32,339
that the ancients you may have you know

1153
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:35,000
learn from the ancient the ancient gods

1154
00:42:40,549 --> 00:42:38,700
of Egypt let's say that would tell you

1155
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,559
that that if you if you go to the moon

1156
00:42:44,299 --> 00:42:42,180
at this time if you look at the

1157
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:44,309
configuration of the solar system there

1158
00:42:47,029 --> 00:42:45,569
aren't going to be any solar flares the

1159
00:42:49,309 --> 00:42:47,039
Sun will be very quiet that kind of

1160
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,319
thing that that would be an ostentatious

1161
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:51,420
time to try to take a journey to the

1162
00:42:56,359 --> 00:42:53,430
moon so I think that all these things

1163
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:56,369
are factored in and you know in my

1164
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:58,170
second book in the choice and to a

1165
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,390
lesser extent in ancient aliens on the

1166
00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:02,400
moon I also discussed you know Wernher

1167
00:43:07,789 --> 00:43:05,789
von Braun and how he really discovered

1168
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:07,799
you know navigation and it was all

1169
00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:10,200
related to these this sort of

1170
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,869
unacknowledged a theory of what Hoagland

1171
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,400
calls hyperdimensional physics which I

1172
00:43:20,269 --> 00:43:17,460
do concur with that basically you know

1173
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:20,279
if you spin something you get more

1174
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:21,690
energy out of the system and it took

1175
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:25,049
them a long time to account for that in

1176
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,730
figuring out how they could get their

1177
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,260
spacecraft to actually be able to run it

1178
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:29,520
with each other for that matter even

1179
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:30,450
even get to

1180
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:33,630
move because it definitely seems to be

1181
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:36,329
like there was a learning curve at NASA

1182
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,500
through the years and they finally

1183
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,119
figured this out and and now I think

1184
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:40,880
it's all sort of just built into the

1185
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,950
equations they all you know now I think

1186
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:45,720
that that without anybody at the lower

1187
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:48,150
levels knowing what they're doing they

1188
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:50,280
basically plug in a computer program and

1189
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,900
say okay when do we go to Mars well okay

1190
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:54,060
this is the perfect time to go yeah they

1191
00:43:58,099 --> 00:43:56,220
don't even question it no they just and

1192
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:58,109
the guys the guys down below I have no

1193
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,700
idea why the decisions being made for

1194
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,440
that date or that time it's just a

1195
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:03,359
command decision made at the top level

1196
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,500
and those are the only guys that really

1197
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,839
need to know the top five or six guys

1198
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:09,000
are really it yeah now let me ask you

1199
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,710
this because as someone who is skeptical

1200
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,140
of pretty much any big story that you

1201
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,000
know spikes up in the media for a while

1202
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:17,520
like yeah very skeptical that's a couple

1203
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:19,530
of years ago Nash that crashed something

1204
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,089
into the moon which is a bit of an odd

1205
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:23,940
story for me it didn't really have much

1206
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:26,190
of an official story or explanation or

1207
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:27,990
reason what do you think was the reason

1208
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:33,450
behind that well I think what well you

1209
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:35,550
know again the reason behind it it may

1210
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:37,260
have been what they actually claimed it

1211
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:39,000
was it may have been that they were

1212
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,020
actually trying to um you know trying to

1213
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,900
keep a kick-up a plume of dust and and

1214
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:48,420
water hopefully ice and analyze it and

1215
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,540
find that it had water where they hid it

1216
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:53,099
though where they actually launched the

1217
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:55,020
thing and this is this is actually what

1218
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:56,250
I end

1219
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,900
Inchon aliens on the moon with this is

1220
00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:00,359
like the last in the book where they

1221
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,220
actually sent it into appears to be an

1222
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,079
area where there are again these big

1223
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:06,839
splits in the surface of the lunar

1224
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:08,550
surface and if you can you can look at

1225
00:45:13,099 --> 00:45:10,109
NASA's own enhancements and you can see

1226
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:13,109
these these geometric cross beams and

1227
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:15,060
sub structures under the surface and

1228
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:17,940
what happened was that the object the

1229
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,300
spacecraft went into it and just

1230
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:23,040
disappeared they expect this clone but

1231
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:24,569
they didn't get a plume or at least the

1232
00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:26,339
guys that believed it was a real

1233
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:27,869
experiment that this was the really the

1234
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:32,010
experiment didn't get a plume and um and

1235
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,170
it was like throwing a rock in the mud

1236
00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:36,060
you don't get anything spinning up you

1237
00:45:39,740 --> 00:45:37,349
know spinning up into the air it just

1238
00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:39,750
plop goes in and disappears and when

1239
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:42,030
they enhanced it you can see where

1240
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:43,380
they're pointing to something that might

1241
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,400
be the plume

1242
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,319
but it's nowhere near what they expected

1243
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:48,240
and it's it just you can see that it

1244
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:50,430
just went right into this hollow empty

1245
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:53,220
part of the moon that has all this these

1246
00:45:57,859 --> 00:45:55,529
cross beams and structures on inside of

1247
00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:57,869
it and I think it might have been that

1248
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:00,869
they were actually looking looking for a

1249
00:46:05,269 --> 00:46:03,510
location where there was more intact

1250
00:46:10,029 --> 00:46:05,279
artificial structures because along the

1251
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:10,039
limbs and in some of the higher you know

1252
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:12,900
latitudes is more likely where the the

1253
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,180
new stuff the best stuff is going to

1254
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:16,920
have been because it would probably

1255
00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:18,990
would have taken less impact from

1256
00:46:22,789 --> 00:46:20,789
meteors over the years than some of the

1257
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,799
stuff in the middle of the moon so you

1258
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,119
know it's really hard for me to know

1259
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:27,180
whether that was an intentional thing

1260
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:29,450
that they were really trying to find

1261
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:31,799
location for artificial structures or

1262
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:33,690
whether it was just sort of a happy

1263
00:46:39,859 --> 00:46:37,890
accident that that occurred because the

1264
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,869
mission but there's no question that the

1265
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:41,220
mission discovered something that it

1266
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:43,470
wasn't supposed to discover which is

1267
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,220
that you know there's empty spaces

1268
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,599
there's empty spaces with lots of

1269
00:46:53,299 --> 00:46:51,359
mechanical and architectural looking

1270
00:46:56,299 --> 00:46:53,309
stuff inside of it well yeah I mean I

1271
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,309
looked into Phobos a while because

1272
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:57,599
there's a lot of weird stuff about that

1273
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:59,700
satellite but I mean do you think the

1274
00:47:02,839 --> 00:47:00,900
moon is hollow there's a lot of

1275
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:02,849
suggestion that both of them are Hollow

1276
00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:04,650
no I don't think it's hollow but I think

1277
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,750
that there is a lot of stuff built up I

1278
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:08,579
think a lot of them the surface of the

1279
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,960
Moon that we think we see is actually

1280
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:12,480
artificial it's actually been modified

1281
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:15,930
built up and made to kind of look like

1282
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,170
the surface of a moon and not really be

1283
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:21,660
a surface of a moon one of the things

1284
00:47:24,049 --> 00:47:22,680
they talked about in one of the earlier

1285
00:47:27,769 --> 00:47:24,059
chapters in a channel Ian's on the moon

1286
00:47:30,799 --> 00:47:27,779
is is the area around Copernicus which

1287
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:30,809
has a whole bunch of a whole bunch of

1288
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:32,010
areas like that where there's clearly

1289
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:33,930
mechanical stuff that looks like it's

1290
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,700
actually been built on top of a natural

1291
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:38,880
surface and it's just you know it's just

1292
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,160
one of those things where if you look

1293
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:43,490
you can clearly see that there's been

1294
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,260
modification and and the way to tell

1295
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:47,880
that is to really look for the write

1296
00:47:52,789 --> 00:47:49,650
angular geometric patterns which are

1297
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:52,799
really unusual in nature and there's a

1298
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:54,329
lot of different locations that I talked

1299
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:55,529
about in the book of that I show in

1300
00:47:58,279 --> 00:47:57,630
pictures where you got that so I think

1301
00:48:00,049 --> 00:47:58,289
it's a

1302
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:00,059
a natural satellite that's been heavily

1303
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:03,390
heavily modified but it's not hollow and

1304
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,609
one of these pictures that I saw that I

1305
00:48:09,709 --> 00:48:07,079
thought was really interesting because a

1306
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,719
lot of times I have a hard time knowing

1307
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,640
what I'm looking at but there's this

1308
00:48:16,999 --> 00:48:13,650
picture of what they call data's head

1309
00:48:18,769 --> 00:48:17,009
that looked pretty much like a head and

1310
00:48:21,709 --> 00:48:18,779
can you tell us the story about that

1311
00:48:23,449 --> 00:48:21,719
yeah that's um that's Apollo 17 after

1312
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:23,459
they visited this place called Nansen

1313
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:25,410
where they wouldn't let us see what they

1314
00:48:28,969 --> 00:48:27,569
were doing and they drove away because

1315
00:48:30,259 --> 00:48:28,979
they were on a very tight schedule and

1316
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,269
they made some statements like this is

1317
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:32,400
one mysterious place well yeah if it's

1318
00:48:35,029 --> 00:48:33,630
you know I don't know why it would be

1319
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:35,039
mysterious if it was a bunch of rocks

1320
00:48:38,419 --> 00:48:36,660
but I'm a steer it's you know for

1321
00:48:39,499 --> 00:48:38,429
reasons they want to talk about and then

1322
00:48:41,419 --> 00:48:39,509
interesting ly they actually took

1323
00:48:43,009 --> 00:48:41,429
pictures that from the position that

1324
00:48:45,049 --> 00:48:43,019
they were at you should have been able

1325
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:45,059
to see directly into Nansen and directly

1326
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,729
underneath this hexagonal quote mountain

1327
00:48:51,979 --> 00:48:50,099
but nobody's ever seen those pictures

1328
00:48:53,419 --> 00:48:51,989
they're all listed as quote overexposed

1329
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:53,429
I don't know how you could do that but

1330
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,839
you know give me a break

1331
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,400
but then they drove onto a couple other

1332
00:49:02,449 --> 00:48:59,160
other locations and one of them was a

1333
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,459
crater called shorty crater and at

1334
00:49:05,929 --> 00:49:04,319
shorty crater they discovered some

1335
00:49:07,429 --> 00:49:05,939
orange soil which turned out to be

1336
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:07,439
orange because it was heavily oxidized

1337
00:49:13,249 --> 00:49:11,640
and Jean Schmidt who was not changed

1338
00:49:15,469 --> 00:49:13,259
much Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt

1339
00:49:17,149 --> 00:49:15,479
Harrison Schmitt you know got away from

1340
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:17,159
the rover went around on the rim of the

1341
00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:18,569
Raider and they said you know the

1342
00:49:22,429 --> 00:49:20,369
outside of shorty is really boring but

1343
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:22,439
inside lordy Lordy lordy look at that

1344
00:49:25,459 --> 00:49:24,089
right and and you look at it and

1345
00:49:27,799 --> 00:49:25,469
superficially it just looks like a

1346
00:49:30,739 --> 00:49:27,809
crater with rocks in it right but

1347
00:49:32,689 --> 00:49:30,749
Schmidt took a series of shots for a

1348
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:32,699
panorama of the entire crater so he took

1349
00:49:39,049 --> 00:49:37,049
about a dozen shots and as you begin to

1350
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:39,059
look at this debris inside the crater

1351
00:49:45,409 --> 00:49:42,390
you know you can see what they're

1352
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:45,419
talking about because what I see as a

1353
00:49:50,179 --> 00:49:47,369
structural mechanical aerospace engineer

1354
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:50,189
I I see parts I see equipment I see

1355
00:49:55,999 --> 00:49:52,109
stuff with vents on it and heat sinks

1356
00:49:58,009 --> 00:49:56,009
and tubing and exhaust pipes and clamps

1357
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:58,019
and clevis --is and and these things are

1358
00:50:00,949 --> 00:49:59,130
clearly not rocks

1359
00:50:02,479 --> 00:50:00,959
and then you know Richard Hoagland

1360
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:02,489
exploded my brain one night in

1361
00:50:06,949 --> 00:50:04,890
Albuquerque when he said now keep

1362
00:50:08,659 --> 00:50:06,959
looking here and what doesn't belong and

1363
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,669
he kept zooming up and zooming up and

1364
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:11,099
sure enough there is this head and it's

1365
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:12,090
right next to what

1366
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:13,740
like it could be some sort of broken up

1367
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:17,280
mechanical torso and it is for all the

1368
00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:20,190
world like you say a head it's got you

1369
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:22,080
know a forehead it's got two eye sockets

1370
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,490
it's got a nose upper trude's

1371
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:25,500
it's got the upper portion of the jaw

1372
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:27,030
there's no lower portion of the John on

1373
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:29,640
the upper portion in two of the frames

1374
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:32,760
which means that it's not an artifact of

1375
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:35,490
the camera or the scan or anything else

1376
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:37,500
it's in two different frames you can

1377
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:40,230
plainly see a bright red strike on the

1378
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:43,410
upper lip of this thing painted on razor

1379
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:45,510
sharp and it's bright and it's

1380
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:48,900
reflective and it looks just like the

1381
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:51,120
head of a robot you know for all intents

1382
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:53,160
and purposes if you watch Battlestar

1383
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:56,070
Galactica a Cylon you know it looks a

1384
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,350
little bit like c-3po 's head and it's

1385
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:00,960
exactly the right size to have been you

1386
00:51:05,570 --> 00:51:02,310
know it's the same size as a human head

1387
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,580
and the only question that I have at

1388
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:07,380
this point is you know did they go down

1389
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:10,410
rappel into shorty crater and pick this

1390
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,990
thing up and bring it back and if not

1391
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,400
I'm sure there was plenty of other stuff

1392
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:16,140
that they could have brought back that

1393
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:18,930
would have maybe been sources for I

1394
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,360
guess reverse engineering programs or

1395
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:23,040
something but you know again in the

1396
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:24,570
context of everything else around it

1397
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:26,730
there's no question in my mind that it's

1398
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,140
artificial and then that brings up all

1399
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:30,300
kinds of other questions like you know

1400
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:32,550
what happened to the civilization what

1401
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,430
was there if you want to go back all the

1402
00:51:39,350 --> 00:51:37,440
way back was there an advanced human

1403
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:39,360
civilization that the hopi talk about

1404
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:41,550
you know the third world of man that

1405
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:43,050
were more advanced than we are today did

1406
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,490
they build a lot of this stuff that we

1407
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:46,140
see in the solar system like the face on

1408
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,540
Mars and and the structures on the moon

1409
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:50,400
and the ziggurats ID of the moon did

1410
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:53,700
they build these and and use machines

1411
00:51:57,260 --> 00:51:55,020
and did their machines get too

1412
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:57,270
intelligent and then wasn't her war and

1413
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:59,370
is that have a planet you know that Mars

1414
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:01,140
orbited got destroyed I don't know you

1415
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:02,910
get into all this other speculation but

1416
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,400
there's no question in my mind that this

1417
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:07,140
thing is this thing is real and I

1418
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:08,310
recently put up a couple of YouTube

1419
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:10,110
videos to sort of going back over how

1420
00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:13,650
simple it is to enhance this this

1421
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:15,900
picture of datas had these two pictures

1422
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:17,220
actually there's four or five different

1423
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,620
frames and you know there's people

1424
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,180
claiming the red stripes not there that

1425
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:23,400
we fabricated it's right there on on

1426
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:25,319
NASA's own data NASA's own

1427
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:29,099
and so you know nonsense so how does out

1428
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,619
of something end up on the surface of

1429
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:34,140
the Moon with paint on it you know

1430
00:52:38,269 --> 00:52:36,329
that's not artificial beats me

1431
00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:38,279
yeah that's a great question I mean it

1432
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:40,799
all seems so epic and these stories are

1433
00:52:45,709 --> 00:52:43,619
so wild about aliens come in here and

1434
00:52:48,739 --> 00:52:45,719
they're being giant wars in the sky and

1435
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:48,749
potentially wars on the moon and then

1436
00:52:51,859 --> 00:52:50,249
you go to your nine-to-five job and

1437
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:51,869
you're like oh none of that happens it's

1438
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:56,160
just yeah yeah well um yeah but I mean

1439
00:53:00,380 --> 00:52:58,170
the I just tell you that you know I

1440
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:00,390
firmly believe and this is why I write

1441
00:53:03,799 --> 00:53:02,430
about these subjects that the real

1442
00:53:05,959 --> 00:53:03,809
history of the human race the real

1443
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:05,969
history of this planet and everything a

1444
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:07,079
lot of the things we've been led to

1445
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,390
believe although the last two to three

1446
00:53:15,529 --> 00:53:12,559
thousand years are just plain BS and

1447
00:53:18,709 --> 00:53:15,539
it's time for us to sort of wake up and

1448
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,719
and face the reality of who we are where

1449
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:21,119
we came from and and embrace our destiny

1450
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:22,349
whatever that might be

1451
00:53:25,489 --> 00:53:24,209
amen man and we are getting kind of

1452
00:53:27,259 --> 00:53:25,499
close to the end of the hour but you

1453
00:53:29,509 --> 00:53:27,269
referenced your other book the choice a

1454
00:53:30,949 --> 00:53:29,519
little bit and I from what I know that

1455
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,959
book seems to be a little bit about

1456
00:53:35,779 --> 00:53:34,079
December 21st 2012 and being two months

1457
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,789
out from there do you think we are in

1458
00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:37,380
the midst of a new age did that go down

1459
00:53:41,029 --> 00:53:39,390
the way you expected yeah I did in fact

1460
00:53:43,009 --> 00:53:41,039
it basically what's been going on is

1461
00:53:44,449 --> 00:53:43,019
specifically the stuff that I predicted

1462
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:44,459
in the book which is that a lot you know

1463
00:53:49,489 --> 00:53:46,440
alignments of planets and eclipses we're

1464
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:49,499
going to create changes in our

1465
00:53:53,749 --> 00:53:51,089
consciousness and political instability

1466
00:53:56,779 --> 00:53:53,759
we had a we had an eclipse on December

1467
00:53:58,759 --> 00:53:56,789
21st 2010 precisely two years before the

1468
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,769
end of the Mayan calendar which I do not

1469
00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:00,900
consider to be a coincidence again I

1470
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:02,999
think this has been arranged the

1471
00:54:05,989 --> 00:54:04,380
calendar was arranged around and her

1472
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:05,999
goodness is all calculated and right

1473
00:54:10,339 --> 00:54:08,910
after that we had the Arab uprisings and

1474
00:54:13,459 --> 00:54:10,349
all the things going on there and I

1475
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:13,469
think we're in a pattern of shift that I

1476
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:14,819
argue in the book is probably going to

1477
00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:17,130
go on to at least 2023 while we work out

1478
00:54:20,209 --> 00:54:18,359
a whole bunch of stuff and the things

1479
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:20,219
we're going to work out is new political

1480
00:54:24,949 --> 00:54:22,410
structures new hierarchical structures

1481
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,959
of all kinds including religious and new

1482
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:27,420
monetary structures and you know we

1483
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,940
continue to hear rumors about global

1484
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,099
currency reset sand things that are

1485
00:54:37,989 --> 00:54:34,079
going on that may sort of create an

1486
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:37,999
entirely new perspective on money and

1487
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:39,480
finance and health

1488
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:40,800
are done I mean there's a lot of stuff

1489
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,980
out there that people don't know about

1490
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,119
the way the financial system really

1491
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,460
works and that that's an understatement

1492
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:49,440
that if they did that if they did and

1493
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:50,340
you probably know what some of these are

1494
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:52,290
if they did know if they were really

1495
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,640
consciously aware of it there would be a

1496
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:56,640
revolution so it's um there'd be a lot

1497
00:54:59,840 --> 00:54:58,020
of people lined up against the wall it's

1498
00:55:02,330 --> 00:54:59,850
but it's hard yeah well there's even a

1499
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:02,340
George Bush Senior quote where he says

1500
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:04,230
if the people really knew what we've

1501
00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:06,150
done they drag us out in the streets and

1502
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:08,760
lynches yeah he says it himself but you

1503
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:10,790
know he see us feel so confident because

1504
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:14,609
it's all veiled so well and my my last

1505
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:16,560
guest actually his name is Jacque fresco

1506
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,750
he did a he's involved in something

1507
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,040
called The Venus Project which is a

1508
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:22,800
resource-based economy a moneyless

1509
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:25,800
society and he his theory is that we

1510
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:27,210
won't ever get over some of these

1511
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,400
problems we really have until we get

1512
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:31,920
past currency altogether we need to

1513
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:34,260
evolve beyond currency because with it

1514
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,750
you know you're in a situation where you

1515
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:38,760
can't really ever trust someone fully

1516
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:40,380
who's trying to get money from you and

1517
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,940
then everybody's trying to get money

1518
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:43,920
from you so right it's a system that's

1519
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:46,170
very inefficient well you know I don't

1520
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:47,550
know that I agree with that because I

1521
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:48,630
think you still have to have human

1522
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,550
ambition other you know the truth is if

1523
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,280
we were all rich and there was no there

1524
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:55,380
was no need to improve yourself or

1525
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:56,810
desire to improve your circumstances

1526
00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,460
then who's going to dig the ditches and

1527
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,470
who's going to do the the manual labor

1528
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:03,119
and who's going to be the pet sitter you

1529
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:04,859
know it's like I don't think I said

1530
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:05,970
something like that I don't think we're

1531
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:08,790
ready for a system like that but what

1532
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,470
needs to happen to I believe in

1533
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:12,240
capitalism absolutely what I don't

1534
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:14,730
believe in is central banks the Federal

1535
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:16,980
Reserve the way to capitalism has been

1536
00:56:23,570 --> 00:56:20,970
stolen and you know Jesus said it 2,000

1537
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:23,580
years ago and really thus far as I'm

1538
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:25,770
concerned the Bible is a manual of

1539
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,570
Commerce it's a commercial manual for

1540
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:29,460
how you are to deal with your fellow man

1541
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:31,470
and you know we're not supposed to have

1542
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:34,310
any debts all of our debts were forgiven

1543
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,810
2,000 years ago and those are our

1544
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:38,760
spiritual debts and our financial debts

1545
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:41,550
and and people have we have allowed

1546
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:44,460
these you know banksters which is the

1547
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:46,650
popular word to come along and create

1548
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,810
systems where they convinced us that we

1549
00:56:52,070 --> 00:56:50,460
were debtors in fact we none of us

1550
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:52,080
should ever be in debt so I think you

1551
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:53,430
can have a monetary system

1552
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:57,089
a system of fair exchange where you know

1553
00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:59,819
if I if I want to make something for $1

1554
00:57:02,839 --> 00:57:01,380
and sell it for $2 and you want to buy

1555
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:02,849
it I see nothing wrong with that that's

1556
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,770
a fair exchange what's happened in our

1557
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,960
system is there so much fraud in it

1558
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,400
there's so much defrauding of people

1559
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:10,680
going on that that's the problem and

1560
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:12,630
that's all the the courts and the banks

1561
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:14,579
and the corporations and the

1562
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:17,010
government's agencies many of which are

1563
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,950
actually corporations themselves that's

1564
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:21,480
that I think that are all conspiring

1565
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:22,950
well do you think you can keep

1566
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:26,099
capitalism intact and keep the structure

1567
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:27,960
of a corporation because it seems like

1568
00:57:33,799 --> 00:57:31,650
the greed and the conniving actions are

1569
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,809
really built into capitalism because if

1570
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:35,760
it's more profitable to make cheaper

1571
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,280
food and give people [\h__\h] food you know

1572
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:40,319
you're going to do it and I feel like

1573
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:41,670
those things are built into the system

1574
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:43,530
well but what you have to have is you

1575
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:46,230
have to have the way so the way natural

1576
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:47,640
law supposed to work is that you've got

1577
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:51,000
you know god man governments and

1578
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:52,710
corporations so what's happened is is

1579
00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:55,410
that corporations and governments have

1580
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,049
become intertwined and interrelated and

1581
00:58:03,049 --> 00:57:59,280
they're working together it used to be

1582
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:03,059
that you know that government didn't

1583
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:04,950
really have much to do except protect

1584
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:06,059
the people which is what it's supposed

1585
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:07,950
to do with our current then as

1586
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:10,440
government grew its power grew they

1587
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,819
began to extort money out of

1588
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:13,680
corporations and that and and then they

1589
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,780
begin to use the courts which a part of

1590
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:17,700
the government to conspire and what

1591
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:18,900
you've got now is you guys situation

1592
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:20,730
where you've got the corporations the

1593
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:23,010
governmental corporations the parts of

1594
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:24,450
the government that are not corporations

1595
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:27,930
and the courts all conspiring to extort

1596
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:30,359
money from the people and that system

1597
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:31,950
has to be broken and the people that

1598
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:34,650
broke those you know common laws and all

1599
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,290
those things need to be removed and you

1600
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:38,880
know it's gonna come as quite a shock to

1601
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:41,220
a lot of lawyers that they actually you

1602
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:42,359
know oh their allegiance to the British

1603
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:46,170
crown and to the United States and it's

1604
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:47,490
gonna be a little shocking for them I

1605
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:48,630
think when you know they all get

1606
00:58:52,099 --> 00:58:49,859
deported but I think these are things

1607
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:52,109
that that we can look at happening and

1608
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:56,460
and so I I tend to disagree that that

1609
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:57,510
you're gonna you never going to you're

1610
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:58,650
not going to have a monetary system

1611
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:00,299
you're always going to have some people

1612
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:01,650
at the top and some people at the bottom

1613
00:59:06,790 --> 00:59:04,170
what needs to be stopped is the cheating

1614
00:59:10,510 --> 00:59:06,800
and the collusion between the

1615
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:10,520
and get people in to these jobs that are

1616
00:59:13,330 --> 00:59:12,260
supposed to be overseeing things and are

1617
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:13,340
supposed to be doing things the right

1618
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:16,310
way to start behaving that way and you

1619
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:18,340
know under the under the common law

1620
00:59:25,630 --> 00:59:22,010
system you know a judge who illegally

1621
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:25,640
assists someone in illegally assists in

1622
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:28,490
in somebody's property being stolen for

1623
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:30,410
instance mortgage foreclosures all of

1624
00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:31,550
which are illegal as far as I'm

1625
00:59:34,570 --> 00:59:32,750
concerned

1626
00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:34,580
according to common law that judge

1627
00:59:37,570 --> 00:59:36,350
should be hung he's supposed to get the

1628
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:37,580
death penalty he or she is supposed to

1629
00:59:40,690 --> 00:59:39,290
get the death penalty I think I think if

1630
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:40,700
one or two of those actually were

1631
00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:42,860
carried out you'd suddenly find that

1632
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:44,300
everybody would be going back to the

1633
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:47,290
very strict interpretation of the law so

1634
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:49,310
remember what we have now are not

1635
00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:52,460
lawyers we have attorneys and their job

1636
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:55,670
is to a turn or twist the law to be

1637
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,700
whatever they want it to be in their own

1638
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:01,280
area of personal interest so but I see I

1639
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:03,170
see continued change for the next ten

1640
01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:04,550
years and I don't know how it's going to

1641
01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:06,470
come out but we do have a choice to make

1642
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:08,120
it a better system than the one we've

1643
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:09,710
got a more fair and equitable system for

1644
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:11,810
sure amen I mean I do see that one of

1645
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:13,370
the big things that sticks out in my

1646
01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:14,930
mind is people say that in the New Age

1647
01:00:18,850 --> 01:00:17,420
lives will become more transparent and I

1648
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:18,860
think that if you look at the memes

1649
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:20,330
they've tried to put out even just since

1650
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:22,760
the new year they get buried very

1651
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:24,560
quickly because the alternative story

1652
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:26,810
the true story comes out so quickly and

1653
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:28,570
people start picking up on these

1654
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:31,130
inconsistencies in the reporting and

1655
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:33,410
then they have to bury the story because

1656
01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:34,490
they're like okay let's just draw

1657
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:36,320
attention away from this now we want to

1658
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:37,730
put it on but now we got to get it out

1659
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:39,710
of here it kills me that it kills me

1660
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:41,210
that there are lots of people out there

1661
01:00:44,590 --> 01:00:43,490
then won't believe anything that's on me

1662
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:44,600
that you they say they read on the

1663
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,710
Internet oh you can't believe in any

1664
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:46,880
really the internet don't believe

1665
01:00:51,010 --> 01:00:48,910
everything that they see on TV

1666
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:51,020
everything Anderson Cooper shows down

1667
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:52,490
their throat I do mean that literally in

1668
01:00:57,070 --> 01:00:55,400
Anderson's case they just suck it down

1669
01:00:58,780 --> 01:00:57,080
like oh that must be the truth because I

1670
01:01:02,410 --> 01:00:58,790
saw it on CNN or something it's just

1671
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:02,420
it's crazy stuff so I you know remember

1672
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:04,850
the Age of Pisces which we've been going

1673
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:05,290
through

1674
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:08,330
astrologically is an age of occultism

1675
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:09,650
and what that means simply is that

1676
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,750
things are hidden the word apocalypse

1677
01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:13,760
does not mean Cataclysm or the end of

1678
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:16,040
the world it means simply to lift a veil

1679
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:18,260
or reveal that which has been hidden and

1680
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:20,510
the act of that apocalypse that apa'

1681
01:01:24,610 --> 01:01:22,310
elliptic time that we're going through

1682
01:01:26,530 --> 01:01:24,620
is going to push us into the the

1683
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:26,540
enlightened age of aquarius where we see

1684
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:28,310
things for what they really are and we

1685
01:01:32,860 --> 01:01:31,010
have truth and you know i think i think

1686
01:01:35,350 --> 01:01:32,870
invariably as we move forward and truth

1687
01:01:38,350 --> 01:01:35,360
that things are going to get better and

1688
01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:38,360
then well you know it's about time we

1689
01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:40,280
wrap this up it's been a real blast I

1690
01:01:43,330 --> 01:01:41,300
think people have learned some

1691
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:43,340
definitely fascinating things about the

1692
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:45,290
moon I mean where can people keep up

1693
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:47,150
with you got any appearances coming up I

1694
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:48,890
really don't have too many appearances

1695
01:01:52,330 --> 01:01:51,170
coming up I am working on a super-secret

1696
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:52,340
project which I hope will come to

1697
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,110
fruition in the fall while I'm sure it's

1698
01:01:57,070 --> 01:01:56,000
going to fruition but I really can't

1699
01:01:58,780 --> 01:01:57,080
talk about

1700
01:02:01,960 --> 01:01:58,790
I also hope I can get paid for that it's

1701
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,970
important you know and then I have a you

1702
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:03,680
know the new book inch aliens on Mars

1703
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:06,140
will be coming out sometime in the fall

1704
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:08,450
so probably around October but in the

1705
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:11,360
meantime you can follow my blog postings

1706
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:14,390
on my blog which is Mike Berra blog

1707
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:17,210
spot.com it's just HTTP mike barrow dot

1708
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:19,730
blog spot.com I've got a Facebook page

1709
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:21,710
I'm pretty full up with personal friends

1710
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:23,300
and they can make a limit of around

1711
01:02:27,010 --> 01:02:25,160
5,000 but I also have an author page

1712
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:27,020
which you can search and find if you

1713
01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:28,970
want to just I try to parallel post as

1714
01:02:35,290 --> 01:02:29,840
much as I can

1715
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:35,300
Twitter it's at mike barrow 33 and then

1716
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:37,010
I've got a YouTube page and again all

1717
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:38,390
that you can find through the blog if

1718
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:40,310
you want or just do a google search just

1719
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,470
mike barrow ba ra and all that stuff

1720
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:44,960
comes up including some of the people

1721
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:47,330
who you know just want to attack me on a

1722
01:02:51,610 --> 01:02:49,190
constant and regular basis but that's

1723
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:51,620
okay yeah what's that 33 about are you a

1724
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:55,190
top-level Mason no I'm not but I decided

1725
01:02:57,970 --> 01:02:56,240
mess with people I mean all you should

1726
01:02:59,770 --> 01:02:57,980
see some of my tattoos I've gotten some

1727
01:03:01,600 --> 01:02:59,780
tattoos deliberately just a mess with

1728
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,610
people's brains a little bit but no no

1729
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:03,200
I'm not but I wouldn't you know I

1730
01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:06,380
wouldn't necessarily object to joining

1731
01:03:11,530 --> 01:03:08,180
the Freemasons I've been I've been asked

1732
01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:11,540
by somebody who's rather famous in the

1733
01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:13,070
conspiracy realm that you know I said he

1734
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:14,870
could get me in if I want to and I

1735
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:16,010
thought about doing that I mean I think

1736
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:19,250
that it at most levels it's a very

1737
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:21,560
positive philanthropic organization but

1738
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:24,290
it's just at the top levels that you

1739
01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:25,850
know like all things it's when you get

1740
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:29,630
to the top levels that you know ethics

1741
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:31,550
doesn't go by to wait exactly that's

1742
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:34,190
what the problem is kind of and it is a

1743
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:35,780
it is a whole other debate but you know

1744
01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:38,150
I think that in in terms of these and

1745
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:39,470
whether you're talking about the

1746
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:40,850
Catholic Church whether you're talking

1747
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:43,040
about the Freemasons right the actions

1748
01:03:48,790 --> 01:03:45,380
of the the lower members are just a

1749
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,800
front just a PR campaign for the real

1750
01:03:53,050 --> 01:03:50,960
actions going up on top and we can

1751
01:03:54,610 --> 01:03:53,060
debate it if it's a product an end

1752
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:54,620
result of capitalism or if it's

1753
01:03:58,090 --> 01:03:56,450
something that can be weeded out but it

1754
01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:58,100
is kind of the situation we find

1755
01:04:01,180 --> 01:04:00,020
ourselves in now well I have a feeling

1756
01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:01,190
that we're going to find out over the

1757
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:04,550
next ten years or so whether we can weed

1758
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:06,140
out the bad elements I mean human nature

1759
01:04:09,070 --> 01:04:07,280
will always be human nature and there

1760
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:09,080
will always be those that are greedy and

1761
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:10,910
try to take advantage but I'm I'm hoping

1762
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:12,460
that the revelations that we go through

1763
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:15,710
that I talked about in the choice will

1764
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,630
be so dramatic people will be so shocked

1765
01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:19,760
that we will not forget this moment in

1766
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:21,980
history and we will not allow these same

1767
01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:23,840
mistakes to be made in the future yeah

1768
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:26,030
what's so well it's it's been a great

1769
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:28,130
talk I love the book the idea of

1770
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:30,050
remnants of intelligent life us or

1771
01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:31,490
otherwise in the solar system is just

1772
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:33,470
such a fun topic to explore once you

1773
01:04:37,090 --> 01:04:35,210
find the evidence of it it's just that

1774
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:37,100
much more exciting so you know keep

1775
01:04:40,570 --> 01:04:39,050
doing what you do I'm excited for

1776
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:40,580
ancient aliens on Mars I hope you can

1777
01:04:43,930 --> 01:04:41,810
come back and we can do a show on that

1778
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:43,940
book and on the anomalous structures on

1779
01:04:47,590 --> 01:04:44,680
Mars

1780
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:47,600
I'd love to for sure absolutely awesome

1781
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:49,610
we'll keep doing what you do and keep us

1782
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:50,960
updated with your findings man have a

1783
01:04:56,050 --> 01:04:52,430
good one I will thanks for having me on

1784
01:04:58,300 --> 01:04:56,060
great thank you bye now bye there it is

1785
01:05:00,490 --> 01:04:58,310
people episode 49 Mike bear on his book

1786
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:00,500
ancient aliens on the moon that's a

1787
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,450
topic that can get you high all on its

1788
01:05:05,830 --> 01:05:04,160
own thanks for listening you can always

1789
01:05:08,830 --> 01:05:05,840
find older episodes in the higher side

1790
01:05:09,970 --> 01:05:08,840
jets comm and the youtube channel and of

1791
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:09,980
course you can check out my conspiracy

1792
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:12,170
themed t-shirts that can spear a tease

1793
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:14,330
dinette tomorrow is my birthday so a

1794
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:16,430
great present for me would be if you

1795
01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:18,890
bought yourself a gift from conspiracies

1796
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:21,260
dinette and we have a great topic and a

1797
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:24,080
great guest prepared for episode 50 next

1798
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:26,390
week the one thing that I'd like to

1799
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:28,490
improve is a listener interaction it's

1800
01:05:32,260 --> 01:05:30,530
I'm we're all a bit frustrated with the

1801
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:32,270
mainstream and we should start pulling

1802
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:34,370
our numbers together anyway if you

1803
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:36,110
haven't learned enough about the Moon in

1804
01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:38,570
this episode then maybe this will do it

1805
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:49,040
I'll see you around in the sky I guess

1806
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:52,130
the change in the baby is brightening up

1807
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:56,810
my life the moon is a new boat - is that

1808
01:06:10,910 --> 01:05:58,170
so

1809
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:13,760
yeah we're charting with you and

1810
01:06:20,020 --> 01:06:16,859
starting but the next phase vaccine

1811
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:20,030
present when moving counter clock-wise

1812
01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:24,540
the first quarter that's on the way

1813
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,260
there it's always going I got one for

1814
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:40,020
you yeah go run and tell your little

1815
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:55,549
I guess the change in the baby

1816
01:06:55,559 --> 01:07:00,730
is that

1817
01:07:00,740 --> 01:07:04,280
that was a

1818
01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:12,740
in training nasty like

1819
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:16,800
changes tomorrow the kids waving you

1820
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:23,380
piss onii-sama keep little bit cuz

1821
01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:38,099
looks like a CSU I got a new one for you

1822
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:58,120
the blue

1823
01:07:58,130 --> 01:08:01,769
the blast

1824
01:08:01,779 --> 01:08:11,280
asleep

1825
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:15,130
now baby maybe that's on the moon and me

1826
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:20,640
or the lander cha-cha-cha

1827
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:23,130
son a place that a right-angle it's not

1828
01:08:31,330 --> 01:08:42,660
why-why-why Oh gravity Oh

1829
01:08:42,670 --> 01:08:46,289
around

1830
01:08:56,010 --> 01:08:48,070
the

1831
01:08:56,020 --> 01:09:01,320
is that

1832
01:09:12,270 --> 01:09:03,780
another move